1 00:00:05,269 --> 00:00:02,510 Lord I'm not worthy to eat your flesh 2 00:00:07,130 --> 00:00:05,279 not worthy to drink your blood okay I 3 00:00:10,070 --> 00:00:07,140 just come out of confession right right 4 00:00:11,749 --> 00:00:10,080 but it just doesn't work for me I mean 5 00:00:13,370 --> 00:00:11,759 if I do something wrong I just want to 6 00:00:16,490 --> 00:00:13,380 pay for my way 7 00:00:18,410 --> 00:00:16,500 so I do my own Penance for my own sins 8 00:00:20,029 --> 00:00:18,420 what do you say huh 9 00:00:22,910 --> 00:00:20,039 that's a clip from a very old Martin 10 00:00:25,189 --> 00:00:22,920 Scorsese movie Mean Streets it's Harvey 11 00:00:26,390 --> 00:00:25,199 cattell there and Scorsese is going to 12 00:00:29,570 --> 00:00:26,400 come up a couple times in this 13 00:00:31,970 --> 00:00:29,580 introduction to my interview with the 14 00:00:34,430 --> 00:00:31,980 excellent Miguel Connor this is kind of 15 00:00:36,950 --> 00:00:34,440 part two of an interview we did just a 16 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:36,960 few weeks ago and in this part too I've 17 00:00:41,930 --> 00:00:39,600 pulled Miguel back into my ongoing 18 00:00:44,569 --> 00:00:41,940 fascination with the conspiracy 19 00:00:47,330 --> 00:00:44,579 surrounding the origins of Christianity 20 00:00:49,310 --> 00:00:47,340 so without getting too far into the 21 00:00:51,049 --> 00:00:49,320 weeds which I don't think we can avoid 22 00:00:54,729 --> 00:00:51,059 getting too far into the Weeds on this 23 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:54,739 topic Martin Scorsese has always been 24 00:00:59,510 --> 00:00:57,360 fascinating to me he's obviously an 25 00:01:02,090 --> 00:00:59,520 incredible filmmaker but he's also 26 00:01:05,450 --> 00:01:02,100 someone who is playing out in his art 27 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:05,460 the larger Christian drama the questions 28 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:07,860 of Good and Evil the questions of what 29 00:01:12,109 --> 00:01:10,080 are we supposed to do with our lives and 30 00:01:14,090 --> 00:01:12,119 our sins and all the rest of that but 31 00:01:16,850 --> 00:01:14,100 he's not only playing it out in this 32 00:01:20,450 --> 00:01:16,860 artistic metaphorical archetype kind of 33 00:01:23,210 --> 00:01:20,460 way he's also practicing Catholic he's 34 00:01:24,890 --> 00:01:23,220 meeting with the Pope and he buys into 35 00:01:27,230 --> 00:01:24,900 that stuff 36 00:01:30,710 --> 00:01:27,240 I mean here here's a clip from an 37 00:01:33,590 --> 00:01:30,720 interview he gave about his faith and in 38 00:01:36,469 --> 00:01:33,600 particular his faith as a Catholic 39 00:01:40,310 --> 00:01:36,479 I think it's the depth of faith 40 00:01:41,810 --> 00:01:40,320 that's where I'm on it's the the 41 00:01:44,510 --> 00:01:41,820 struggle for 42 00:01:47,810 --> 00:01:44,520 the very essence of faith 43 00:01:49,789 --> 00:01:47,820 vehicle that one takes towards faith can 44 00:01:52,429 --> 00:01:49,799 be very helpful as a church the 45 00:01:52,429 --> 00:01:53,649 institution of the church the sacraments 46 00:01:58,069 --> 00:01:55,910 yeah I'm kind of with right up until the 47 00:02:01,569 --> 00:01:58,079 end there right up to the vehicle part 48 00:02:06,350 --> 00:02:01,579 what if the vehicle Christianity 49 00:02:09,650 --> 00:02:06,360 Catholicism Judaism the Bible what if 50 00:02:11,449 --> 00:02:09,660 that vehicle isn't what you've been told 51 00:02:14,510 --> 00:02:11,459 it is 52 00:02:17,150 --> 00:02:14,520 what if the real vehicle sounds more 53 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:17,160 like this a bunch of Roman generals 54 00:02:21,530 --> 00:02:19,200 getting together in a little cave that 55 00:02:23,690 --> 00:02:21,540 they carved out underneath the Vatican 56 00:02:26,570 --> 00:02:23,700 that is the cult of mithras secret 57 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:26,580 society plotting how they're going to 58 00:02:31,130 --> 00:02:29,040 run the next psyop and even those 59 00:02:33,290 --> 00:02:31,140 Scorsese didn't have a microphone on 60 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:33,300 that conversation I would suggest he 61 00:02:38,930 --> 00:02:36,060 came pretty close in his movie the 62 00:02:41,690 --> 00:02:38,940 Irishman and in particular in this clip 63 00:02:43,729 --> 00:02:41,700 where the modern day instantiation of 64 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:43,739 the cult of mithras that being the 65 00:02:47,809 --> 00:02:45,660 Italian mafia are plotting the 66 00:02:49,369 --> 00:02:47,819 assassination of Caesar I mean the 67 00:02:53,030 --> 00:02:49,379 emperor I mean the president of the 68 00:02:55,250 --> 00:02:53,040 United States JFK remember this clip 69 00:02:57,309 --> 00:02:55,260 between Bobby and the FBI I possessed 70 00:02:59,990 --> 00:02:57,319 all the time he's going crazy 71 00:03:03,530 --> 00:03:00,000 tell Jimmy I'm sorry for his troubles 72 00:03:05,690 --> 00:03:03,540 the old time he spoke to the old man the 73 00:03:09,790 --> 00:03:05,700 old man taught this on Jack and he told 74 00:03:11,270 --> 00:03:09,800 them don't forget who the he owes 75 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:11,280 [Music] 76 00:03:16,270 --> 00:03:13,920 knows who the he owes 77 00:03:19,009 --> 00:03:16,280 so maybe I'm right about the Josephus 78 00:03:21,470 --> 00:03:19,019 Vespasian psyop I think I make a pretty 79 00:03:24,530 --> 00:03:21,480 good case but maybe I'm right maybe I'm 80 00:03:26,630 --> 00:03:24,540 wrong the real point is that it matters 81 00:03:28,490 --> 00:03:26,640 it matters in some fundamental way if 82 00:03:31,789 --> 00:03:28,500 we're going to talk about this here and 83 00:03:35,630 --> 00:03:31,799 now reality I mean on another level as 84 00:03:37,550 --> 00:03:35,640 our excellent guest Miguel Connor brings 85 00:03:39,890 --> 00:03:37,560 us back to at the end 86 00:03:41,690 --> 00:03:39,900 fundamentally it doesn't matter but it 87 00:03:43,789 --> 00:03:41,700 does matter listen to this show but it 88 00:03:46,369 --> 00:03:43,799 doesn't matter listen to this clip the 89 00:03:49,850 --> 00:03:46,379 game doesn't change the most important 90 00:03:52,490 --> 00:03:49,860 thing is you're waking up and your inner 91 00:03:54,589 --> 00:03:52,500 Flame or Soul or Consciousness that's 92 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:54,599 the most I tell people it doesn't matter 93 00:03:59,630 --> 00:03:56,280 if you walk out today and you see 94 00:04:02,570 --> 00:03:59,640 Bigfoot or you see an alien ship land or 95 00:04:05,570 --> 00:04:02,580 you find out that the Rockefellers are 96 00:04:07,850 --> 00:04:05,580 still worshiping mithras and ruling are 97 00:04:10,369 --> 00:04:07,860 the United States government 98 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:10,379 your job is still the same which is to 99 00:04:15,589 --> 00:04:12,780 wake up and find out what your purpose 100 00:04:17,749 --> 00:04:15,599 is and move there because the other 101 00:04:20,090 --> 00:04:17,759 things yeah in a way it's fun but 102 00:04:22,550 --> 00:04:20,100 compared to Infinity to as you say 103 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:22,560 extended Consciousness and all that it's 104 00:04:27,469 --> 00:04:25,320 a a drop in the bucket you know don't 105 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:27,479 lose sight of the big game which is who 106 00:04:32,390 --> 00:04:30,060 you are which is just an amazing 107 00:04:34,129 --> 00:04:32,400 individual that has purpose and meaning 108 00:04:35,749 --> 00:04:34,139 in this world 109 00:04:38,090 --> 00:04:35,759 stick around for my interview with 110 00:04:41,270 --> 00:04:38,100 Miguel Connor and please I'll put out 111 00:04:42,950 --> 00:04:41,280 the plea again share this show I think 112 00:04:44,749 --> 00:04:42,960 this is such an interesting thing that 113 00:04:46,370 --> 00:04:44,759 we're working on I want to work on it 114 00:04:49,310 --> 00:04:46,380 together I want to hear from other 115 00:04:52,129 --> 00:04:49,320 people in this community who can either 116 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:52,139 punch holes in this Theory or add 117 00:04:57,230 --> 00:04:54,780 support to it in some way share this 118 00:04:58,909 --> 00:04:57,240 interview with anyone you think would be 119 00:05:00,830 --> 00:04:58,919 interested in hearing it I have a bunch 120 00:05:03,350 --> 00:05:00,840 of new ways of sharing and interacting 121 00:05:04,850 --> 00:05:03,360 on the skeptical website go there and 122 00:05:08,689 --> 00:05:04,860 check it out 123 00:05:10,670 --> 00:05:08,699 and please join me in this fun fun fun 124 00:05:13,909 --> 00:05:10,680 discussion here's my interview with 125 00:05:16,370 --> 00:05:13,919 Miguel Connor nice okay and I say that 126 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:16,380 Miguel because uh I want to Pivot a 127 00:05:19,850 --> 00:05:17,280 little bit 128 00:05:21,469 --> 00:05:19,860 and I might even break this into two 129 00:05:24,350 --> 00:05:21,479 parts because 130 00:05:25,909 --> 00:05:24,360 I am talking to Miguel Connor from Ann 131 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:25,919 bite Gnostic radio and we just had a 132 00:05:30,890 --> 00:05:28,680 great chat about his new book 10 133 00:05:31,909 --> 00:05:30,900 snackable meditations and now I want to 134 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:31,919 pull them in a totally different 135 00:05:38,210 --> 00:05:35,000 direction I felt like I needed to pause 136 00:05:41,150 --> 00:05:38,220 Miguel is one of my go-to people for 137 00:05:44,689 --> 00:05:41,160 these uh kind of book projects I feel 138 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:44,699 compelled even if no one reads them you 139 00:05:47,510 --> 00:05:46,620 know no one reads books so I don't know 140 00:05:48,830 --> 00:05:47,520 how you're going to do with your book 141 00:05:52,490 --> 00:05:48,840 but 142 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:52,500 I I think this is really really such a a 143 00:05:57,409 --> 00:05:55,680 an interesting topic for me and it's 144 00:05:59,990 --> 00:05:57,419 right up Miguel's alley so this is going 145 00:06:02,090 --> 00:06:00,000 to be a little bit inside baseball if 146 00:06:03,650 --> 00:06:02,100 you like that then you're gonna might 147 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:03,660 might enjoy it if you don't then you 148 00:06:08,570 --> 00:06:06,960 might not so Miguel I did kind of tip my 149 00:06:11,330 --> 00:06:08,580 hand here a little bit in terms of what 150 00:06:14,150 --> 00:06:11,340 I wanted to talk to you about but 151 00:06:17,689 --> 00:06:14,160 I've been seeing it almost as a Caesar's 152 00:06:18,770 --> 00:06:17,699 Messiah 2.0 I loved Joe Atwell and I 153 00:06:20,210 --> 00:06:18,780 just have a lot of respect for him he's 154 00:06:21,529 --> 00:06:20,220 been on the show even though he's not 155 00:06:23,029 --> 00:06:21,539 responding to my emails right now 156 00:06:25,189 --> 00:06:23,039 because maybe the last time I had him on 157 00:06:29,210 --> 00:06:25,199 I hit him too hard with the E.T thing 158 00:06:31,909 --> 00:06:29,220 and not everyone is not everyone is as 159 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:31,919 open as what you are like I said you can 160 00:06:35,330 --> 00:06:33,120 throw you in the middle of the pool and 161 00:06:38,469 --> 00:06:35,340 you you swim to the side I'm going to 162 00:06:41,689 --> 00:06:38,479 jump right into a really uh important 163 00:06:43,909 --> 00:06:41,699 quote that I think is the springboard 164 00:06:46,510 --> 00:06:43,919 for this whole discussion 165 00:06:50,210 --> 00:06:46,520 and again folks inside baseball here so 166 00:06:53,629 --> 00:06:50,220 I don't feel the need to kind of bring 167 00:06:56,570 --> 00:06:53,639 everybody up to speed the point is what 168 00:06:59,930 --> 00:06:56,580 is the origin the true origin of 169 00:07:02,029 --> 00:06:59,940 Christianity and is Christianity best 170 00:07:06,589 --> 00:07:02,039 understood first 171 00:07:09,589 --> 00:07:06,599 as a conspiracy theory as a psyop as an 172 00:07:12,290 --> 00:07:09,599 operation a way to control the 173 00:07:15,469 --> 00:07:12,300 population which the Romans were so so 174 00:07:17,210 --> 00:07:15,479 Adept at is that the first way that we 175 00:07:20,089 --> 00:07:17,220 should consider it that doesn't mean 176 00:07:21,890 --> 00:07:20,099 that you can't have a personal spiritual 177 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:21,900 relationship with Christ Consciousness I 178 00:07:25,249 --> 00:07:23,880 mean I one no one can tell you you can't 179 00:07:28,370 --> 00:07:25,259 you don't need me to give you the 180 00:07:31,249 --> 00:07:28,380 permission but number two I I I'm 181 00:07:33,589 --> 00:07:31,259 convinced by the evidence that that is 182 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:33,599 in whatever respect we want to call 183 00:07:37,129 --> 00:07:35,639 genuine that is genuine that's real I 184 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:37,139 don't know how that works but it 185 00:07:40,490 --> 00:07:39,060 certainly seems to be true that you can 186 00:07:42,350 --> 00:07:40,500 have a genuine personal spiritual 187 00:07:46,730 --> 00:07:42,360 relationship with Jesus that is 188 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:46,740 completely separate from this and when I 189 00:07:53,150 --> 00:07:50,280 say this I mean none other than 190 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:53,160 the writings of Josephus and the quick 191 00:07:57,469 --> 00:07:54,500 history reminder 192 00:08:00,710 --> 00:07:57,479 Josephus is the primary source we have 193 00:08:02,930 --> 00:08:00,720 for this history and even the uh idiot 194 00:08:06,110 --> 00:08:02,940 historians who write about Josephus 195 00:08:08,330 --> 00:08:06,120 admit that he's a terrible Source in one 196 00:08:10,670 --> 00:08:08,340 in some respects he's obviously biased 197 00:08:12,950 --> 00:08:10,680 in all these ways but then they say well 198 00:08:15,170 --> 00:08:12,960 gee I know we lost our keys out in the 199 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:15,180 parking lot but the light is so much 200 00:08:19,129 --> 00:08:16,800 better over here under the Street Lamp 201 00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:19,139 can't we look over here well no you 202 00:08:23,869 --> 00:08:21,300 can't if he's discredited but here's 203 00:08:26,350 --> 00:08:23,879 what he wrote in War of the Jews and I 204 00:08:29,050 --> 00:08:26,360 would suggest deep inside baseball now 205 00:08:31,969 --> 00:08:29,060 this is the first 206 00:08:34,850 --> 00:08:31,979 psyop this is the one that Joe from 207 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:34,860 Caesar's Messiah missed he missed this 208 00:08:39,290 --> 00:08:37,260 he he's aware of it but he doesn't point 209 00:08:42,350 --> 00:08:39,300 out the significance of it Josephus 210 00:08:44,570 --> 00:08:42,360 writes to his Brethren but what more 211 00:08:46,910 --> 00:08:44,580 than all else incited them to war that 212 00:08:50,810 --> 00:08:46,920 has incited the Jews to Rebel because 213 00:08:54,410 --> 00:08:50,820 this is again this is Josephus writing 214 00:08:56,570 --> 00:08:54,420 as he has joined Vespasian so some 215 00:08:58,430 --> 00:08:56,580 people consider that a turn coat I don't 216 00:09:01,190 --> 00:08:58,440 know what you call it but the Romans 217 00:09:03,530 --> 00:09:01,200 land in Galilee and they put the sword 218 00:09:05,509 --> 00:09:03,540 to this guy's head and say okay dude 219 00:09:07,490 --> 00:09:05,519 what do you think you want to live or 220 00:09:09,530 --> 00:09:07,500 you want to die back to your thing 221 00:09:12,470 --> 00:09:09,540 earlier do you want the million dollars 222 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:12,480 or do you want to live till tomorrow and 223 00:09:19,550 --> 00:09:14,940 he says you know I like living 224 00:09:21,949 --> 00:09:19,560 so he is then turned to writing to his 225 00:09:23,930 --> 00:09:21,959 uh his audience the Jews and he from the 226 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:23,940 beginning says I am the Super Jew I know 227 00:09:28,009 --> 00:09:25,920 more about I'm a better Jew than anyone 228 00:09:29,509 --> 00:09:28,019 else because I've studied more the other 229 00:09:31,310 --> 00:09:29,519 thing he says in this writing is I'm 230 00:09:33,170 --> 00:09:31,320 gonna tell you the truth not like these 231 00:09:34,790 --> 00:09:33,180 other historians out there I'm going to 232 00:09:37,250 --> 00:09:34,800 tell you the truth those are josephus's 233 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:37,260 own words and we're the Jews back to the 234 00:09:41,750 --> 00:09:39,000 thing but what more than all else 235 00:09:44,509 --> 00:09:41,760 incited them to war was it ambiguous 236 00:09:46,670 --> 00:09:44,519 Oracle likewise found in their Sacred 237 00:09:49,370 --> 00:09:46,680 Scriptures to the effect that at the 238 00:09:52,310 --> 00:09:49,380 time one from their country would become 239 00:09:53,329 --> 00:09:52,320 ruler of the world ha Messiah the 240 00:09:55,070 --> 00:09:53,339 Messiah 241 00:09:57,829 --> 00:09:55,080 this they understood would mean someone 242 00:09:59,930 --> 00:09:57,839 of their own race and many of the wise 243 00:10:03,829 --> 00:09:59,940 men went astray in their interpretation 244 00:10:06,769 --> 00:10:03,839 of it all those Jewish Elders at the 245 00:10:09,710 --> 00:10:06,779 temple they went astray Josephus is 246 00:10:14,090 --> 00:10:09,720 telling the general population in Judea 247 00:10:17,750 --> 00:10:14,100 the Oracle however in reality signified 248 00:10:19,250 --> 00:10:17,760 the sovereignty of Vespasian Vespasian 249 00:10:22,550 --> 00:10:19,260 is 250 00:10:24,290 --> 00:10:22,560 Emperor he's Caesar right think Caesar 251 00:10:26,990 --> 00:10:24,300 he's the new Caesar he's the new guy in 252 00:10:29,569 --> 00:10:27,000 town who was proclaimed Emperor on 253 00:10:31,130 --> 00:10:29,579 Jewish soil so what he's saying is hey 254 00:10:34,610 --> 00:10:31,140 you know what you missed this little 255 00:10:37,490 --> 00:10:34,620 trick in there when our our Jewish faith 256 00:10:40,490 --> 00:10:37,500 all our books said that the Messiah 257 00:10:42,290 --> 00:10:40,500 would be a Jew of course they they just 258 00:10:44,329 --> 00:10:42,300 missed it a little bit what they really 259 00:10:46,490 --> 00:10:44,339 meant is that would come from Jewish 260 00:10:47,630 --> 00:10:46,500 soil and this guy Vespasian he landed 261 00:10:50,630 --> 00:10:47,640 here of course he landed here to 262 00:10:52,850 --> 00:10:50,640 slaughter all of us but he was on Jewish 263 00:10:55,970 --> 00:10:52,860 soil when it all happened 264 00:11:00,050 --> 00:10:55,980 my point is this cannot be understood to 265 00:11:02,150 --> 00:11:00,060 me as anything other than a psyop there 266 00:11:05,690 --> 00:11:02,160 can't be anything authentic about this 267 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:05,700 what do you think oh yeah there's no 268 00:11:11,389 --> 00:11:08,760 doubt about that I mean uh I guess I 269 00:11:14,210 --> 00:11:11,399 should quote Philip K Dick's famous uh 270 00:11:16,550 --> 00:11:14,220 dictum the Empire never ended even if 271 00:11:20,389 --> 00:11:16,560 you don't take it literally the Romans 272 00:11:23,030 --> 00:11:20,399 really created the ultimate uh uh you 273 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:23,040 might say system for control and they 274 00:11:28,430 --> 00:11:25,140 had complete control over everything I 275 00:11:31,370 --> 00:11:28,440 mean for example magic the Romans over 276 00:11:33,050 --> 00:11:31,380 regulated magic to the point that it 277 00:11:34,970 --> 00:11:33,060 just didn't work and they had their 278 00:11:37,130 --> 00:11:34,980 hands they knew magic could be dangerous 279 00:11:38,389 --> 00:11:37,140 in the hands of a population you had to 280 00:11:41,569 --> 00:11:38,399 be like 281 00:11:43,490 --> 00:11:41,579 in the outside so there was nothing the 282 00:11:45,410 --> 00:11:43,500 Romans had control over everything and 283 00:11:49,430 --> 00:11:45,420 this sort of template has been Borrowed 284 00:11:51,889 --> 00:11:49,440 by Empire after Empire and the scholars 285 00:11:54,290 --> 00:11:51,899 but even before joette well Scholars 286 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:54,300 always said it's so obvious that Luke 287 00:12:00,290 --> 00:11:57,660 the Gospel of Luke borrows heavily from 288 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:00,300 Josephus that the Acts of the Apostles 289 00:12:05,329 --> 00:12:03,600 again it's all Josephus whoever Luke is 290 00:12:08,509 --> 00:12:05,339 just borrowing things and putting it 291 00:12:11,329 --> 00:12:08,519 with Josephus so but the question has to 292 00:12:13,670 --> 00:12:11,339 be is uh well there's no doubt that the 293 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:13,680 Roman fingers are on Christianity 294 00:12:18,470 --> 00:12:16,500 because the Romans were smart they knew 295 00:12:20,569 --> 00:12:18,480 they had to control there's evidence of 296 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:20,579 them controlling other religions there 297 00:12:24,290 --> 00:12:21,660 were 298 00:12:27,110 --> 00:12:24,300 um the question is really when and at 299 00:12:30,769 --> 00:12:27,120 what time I mean for example we quoted 300 00:12:34,490 --> 00:12:30,779 Augustine in uh this our first half Alex 301 00:12:37,190 --> 00:12:34,500 and Augustine famously said Christianity 302 00:12:39,470 --> 00:12:37,200 has always existed since the beginning 303 00:12:41,870 --> 00:12:39,480 of time so so what is he what is 304 00:12:45,170 --> 00:12:41,880 Augustine talking about well he's kind 305 00:12:49,430 --> 00:12:45,180 of hedging his bets or stretching things 306 00:12:53,389 --> 00:12:49,440 in other words the idea of this mystery 307 00:12:57,530 --> 00:12:53,399 Cult of a rising Dying God man whether 308 00:13:00,170 --> 00:12:57,540 it's Addis or Osiris or some of the many 309 00:13:02,930 --> 00:13:00,180 other dying and Rising signifi 310 00:13:05,389 --> 00:13:02,940 signifying the renewal of the land the 311 00:13:08,150 --> 00:13:05,399 renewal of your soul the rebirth all 312 00:13:10,670 --> 00:13:08,160 that had always existed throughout 313 00:13:14,269 --> 00:13:10,680 before the Roman Empire before the 314 00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:14,279 Greeks and that was going around and uh 315 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:17,040 Christianity was you might say the the 316 00:13:23,269 --> 00:13:21,180 Jewish manifestation of this uh mystery 317 00:13:26,449 --> 00:13:23,279 cult the rising and dying godmen were 318 00:13:29,389 --> 00:13:26,459 getting into acharya sort of domains and 319 00:13:31,190 --> 00:13:29,399 uh Atwell in each area agreed on a lot 320 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:31,200 of things but disagreed on a lot of 321 00:13:37,129 --> 00:13:34,440 things so when did this cult come in and 322 00:13:40,009 --> 00:13:37,139 when did the Romans say uh what's the 323 00:13:44,569 --> 00:13:40,019 name of the guys who did that book uh 324 00:13:46,970 --> 00:13:44,579 James alefonte I mean and um Warren Way 325 00:13:48,889 --> 00:13:46,980 Warren I forget the name of it but they 326 00:13:51,410 --> 00:13:48,899 put out the book A couple of years ago 327 00:13:53,629 --> 00:13:51,420 where they even bring archaeological 328 00:13:56,810 --> 00:13:53,639 evidence that the vespasians were 329 00:13:58,550 --> 00:13:56,820 creating or infiltrating Christianity 330 00:14:00,410 --> 00:13:58,560 because they're low they're they're 331 00:14:04,189 --> 00:14:00,420 sealed and everything were used by 332 00:14:06,350 --> 00:14:04,199 Christianity before even the Jewish War 333 00:14:08,689 --> 00:14:06,360 um but they think that Paul was probably 334 00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:08,699 not part of this that there was also 335 00:14:14,449 --> 00:14:11,760 another that part of Christianity was 336 00:14:19,189 --> 00:14:14,459 still offering this mystery cult and 337 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:19,199 hadn't been uh completely uh infected by 338 00:14:24,410 --> 00:14:21,360 the Roman powers and that Joe Atwell 339 00:14:26,509 --> 00:14:24,420 himself says that the gnostics were an 340 00:14:28,370 --> 00:14:26,519 answer to the Roman Corruption of 341 00:14:30,889 --> 00:14:28,380 Christianity because their writings are 342 00:14:33,410 --> 00:14:30,899 so full of parity they're making fun of 343 00:14:35,870 --> 00:14:33,420 the Jewish Orthodoxy they're making fun 344 00:14:37,850 --> 00:14:35,880 of the Roman government they're they're 345 00:14:41,030 --> 00:14:37,860 very in a very subtle way they're 346 00:14:43,730 --> 00:14:41,040 mocking what Christianity had become in 347 00:14:46,490 --> 00:14:43,740 the power of the Roman Empire so it's a 348 00:14:50,509 --> 00:14:46,500 matter of when it happened I mean my 349 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:50,519 issue is that people always assume 350 00:14:56,090 --> 00:14:52,800 that when Christianity came out you had 351 00:14:58,310 --> 00:14:56,100 the four gospels uh John Mark Luke and 352 00:15:01,009 --> 00:14:58,320 Matthew but that's very far from the 353 00:15:02,810 --> 00:15:01,019 truth I mean you had Martian in the 354 00:15:06,110 --> 00:15:02,820 second century 355 00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:06,120 saying we need a Bible we need a coded 356 00:15:12,530 --> 00:15:09,480 document a teaching document for this 357 00:15:15,530 --> 00:15:12,540 religion and marcian went with his idea 358 00:15:17,569 --> 00:15:15,540 of uh the letters of Paul a few and Luke 359 00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:17,579 and his his version of the Gospel of 360 00:15:22,790 --> 00:15:20,100 Luke marcyon also believe we should 361 00:15:25,670 --> 00:15:22,800 abandon Judaism and Christianity should 362 00:15:27,530 --> 00:15:25,680 be completely like a new religion and 363 00:15:29,870 --> 00:15:27,540 there's two Gods there's a God above God 364 00:15:32,990 --> 00:15:29,880 and then there's the Jewish god 365 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:33,000 and of course that pissed off the early 366 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:34,560 Church in the middle of the second 367 00:15:39,949 --> 00:15:37,680 century but the point is we didn't most 368 00:15:41,569 --> 00:15:39,959 of Christianity didn't have this idea of 369 00:15:45,410 --> 00:15:41,579 four gospels now you have to go to 370 00:15:47,449 --> 00:15:45,420 irenaeus around 180 A.D he says all 371 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:47,459 right we're going to get some gospels 372 00:15:51,769 --> 00:15:50,040 and I'm picking four gospels and they 373 00:15:55,069 --> 00:15:51,779 don't have names I'm gonna give them 374 00:15:58,970 --> 00:15:55,079 names John Matthew Luke and uh John 375 00:16:02,329 --> 00:15:58,980 Matthew Luke and and Paul not Paul John 376 00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,339 Matthew yeah Mark and Luke and I'm gonna 377 00:16:07,370 --> 00:16:04,560 give them names but then you find out 378 00:16:10,009 --> 00:16:07,380 when you read the letters of irenaeus in 379 00:16:12,889 --> 00:16:10,019 180 he's already in the pocket of the 380 00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:12,899 Roman Emperor Commodus from uh Gladiator 381 00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:15,240 you know the corrupt little shitty 382 00:16:20,449 --> 00:16:18,000 you know Marcus aurelius's son he's in 383 00:16:22,970 --> 00:16:20,459 the pocket of the Roman power so you're 384 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:22,980 already seeing there in the power so the 385 00:16:27,470 --> 00:16:24,480 question what I'm trying to say with 386 00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:27,480 this long-winded discussion is yes the 387 00:16:33,710 --> 00:16:30,720 Romans got a hold of Christian the 388 00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:33,720 question is when and how much did they 389 00:16:38,030 --> 00:16:35,759 get it because again the idea that there 390 00:16:39,050 --> 00:16:38,040 was four gospels is a second century 391 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:39,060 idea 392 00:16:42,350 --> 00:16:40,980 see I don't think that's really the 393 00:16:45,949 --> 00:16:42,360 question 394 00:16:49,310 --> 00:16:45,959 I because and I think that's what that 395 00:16:52,189 --> 00:16:49,320 quote that I just offered from Josephus 396 00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:52,199 it pulls us in a different direction 397 00:16:58,670 --> 00:16:55,920 let me play for you a clip from a very 398 00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,680 excellent historian Adrian goldsworthy 399 00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,199 who I interviewed on the show and uh 400 00:17:06,529 --> 00:17:04,559 this will kind of lead us into a related 401 00:17:09,169 --> 00:17:06,539 discussion but a little bit different 402 00:17:10,970 --> 00:17:09,179 discussion as well if you write about 403 00:17:12,110 --> 00:17:10,980 you know I've written about Caesar I've 404 00:17:13,909 --> 00:17:12,120 written about engineering Cleopatra 405 00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:13,919 Alexander the Great you'll never quite 406 00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,559 know what someone else was thinking when 407 00:17:22,490 --> 00:17:19,439 they do something the danger is that you 408 00:17:25,250 --> 00:17:22,500 create an image of what you think Caesar 409 00:17:27,890 --> 00:17:25,260 was like or Cleopatra was like and then 410 00:17:29,990 --> 00:17:27,900 when you come to a gap in the source you 411 00:17:32,990 --> 00:17:30,000 fill it in with well this is what my 412 00:17:34,909 --> 00:17:33,000 Caesar would have done so that's a great 413 00:17:36,230 --> 00:17:34,919 one to start with and then there's 414 00:17:37,430 --> 00:17:36,240 another one I want to play from you a 415 00:17:38,450 --> 00:17:37,440 couple more I want to play from you from 416 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,460 there 417 00:17:40,970 --> 00:17:40,080 here's what I think we're doing with 418 00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:40,980 this 419 00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:43,919 we know how the game ends 420 00:17:50,029 --> 00:17:46,679 we know that Christianity comes to 421 00:17:52,490 --> 00:17:50,039 dominate the world on every level not 422 00:17:56,210 --> 00:17:52,500 just on a spiritual level but on an 423 00:17:58,970 --> 00:17:56,220 economic level on a human suffering 424 00:18:02,150 --> 00:17:58,980 level all these ways we know how the 425 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,160 game ends so we're always crippled by 426 00:18:06,770 --> 00:18:04,320 that in putting the pieces together what 427 00:18:09,350 --> 00:18:06,780 I read in Josephus there is these guys 428 00:18:12,169 --> 00:18:09,360 weren't that smart I mean if you look at 429 00:18:16,070 --> 00:18:12,179 what a half-assed attempt this was 430 00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:16,080 to run a psyop yeah it didn't work I 431 00:18:20,450 --> 00:18:18,480 mean the second Century they rose up 432 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:20,460 again middle of the second they rose up 433 00:18:25,850 --> 00:18:23,340 again and Hadrian had to destroy Israel 434 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,860 and Christianity was not even a big 435 00:18:30,890 --> 00:18:27,840 player till the what third fourth 436 00:18:32,390 --> 00:18:30,900 Century it was sort of exactly let's 437 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:32,400 process that a little bit differently 438 00:18:35,750 --> 00:18:34,500 because the way that I'd say is if you 439 00:18:38,750 --> 00:18:35,760 look at this and you go what kind of 440 00:18:41,690 --> 00:18:38,760 hair brain scheme is this you you think 441 00:18:45,409 --> 00:18:41,700 Dia screws up a lot Alex exactly which 442 00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,419 which is they screw up all the time to 443 00:18:49,730 --> 00:18:47,520 me that's just making the point you know 444 00:18:51,409 --> 00:18:49,740 you don't have to be good it's the kind 445 00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,419 of throw it against the wall and see 446 00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:53,280 what sticks kind of thing and that's how 447 00:18:57,230 --> 00:18:55,140 this looks to me the idea that we're 448 00:18:59,690 --> 00:18:57,240 going to get Judea which has been a real 449 00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,700 pain in the ass but mind you they're not 450 00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:02,400 the biggest pain in the ass by any means 451 00:19:08,090 --> 00:19:05,220 and again our history now always wants 452 00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:08,100 to write it up as if oh my God those 453 00:19:11,750 --> 00:19:10,380 damn Jews were so tough well maybe they 454 00:19:14,090 --> 00:19:11,760 were tough but they weren't any more 455 00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,100 tough than five of the other provinces 456 00:19:18,350 --> 00:19:16,559 you're fighting against that just is 457 00:19:20,990 --> 00:19:18,360 written up because that that becomes the 458 00:19:23,870 --> 00:19:21,000 story Judaism here's the here's the 459 00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:23,880 truth bomb Judaism this stupid Thunder 460 00:19:29,650 --> 00:19:26,880 God minor little religion has no 461 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:29,660 business being dragged through history 462 00:19:35,210 --> 00:19:32,340 the only reason it is dragged through 463 00:19:38,270 --> 00:19:35,220 history is because Roman psyop number 464 00:19:40,669 --> 00:19:38,280 two which we can't assume they imagined 465 00:19:42,770 --> 00:19:40,679 would be as nearly as effective as it 466 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:42,780 was but it really took off and they got 467 00:19:47,870 --> 00:19:45,120 the pieces fell in place and they 468 00:19:49,370 --> 00:19:47,880 co-opted this Rising new thing called 469 00:19:51,890 --> 00:19:49,380 Christianity they didn't even care what 470 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:51,900 it is and hey you need another you need 471 00:19:56,210 --> 00:19:54,000 the villain in there well it's the Jews 472 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:56,220 yeah we washed our hands of it and those 473 00:20:00,110 --> 00:19:58,799 freaking Jews they killed Jesus growing 474 00:20:01,549 --> 00:20:00,120 up in Chicago in the Greek Orthodox 475 00:20:03,830 --> 00:20:01,559 church I don't know why we didn't like 476 00:20:05,690 --> 00:20:03,840 the Jews but I just had a sense as a kid 477 00:20:08,029 --> 00:20:05,700 we didn't like them because they killed 478 00:20:09,549 --> 00:20:08,039 Jesus kind of thing we've dragged that 479 00:20:12,529 --> 00:20:09,559 for two 480 00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:12,539 thousand years but the point is when you 481 00:20:18,770 --> 00:20:16,320 look at this original psyop you see some 482 00:20:21,169 --> 00:20:18,780 of the things that you're saying is that 483 00:20:23,390 --> 00:20:21,179 of course this was a silly psyop it had 484 00:20:25,370 --> 00:20:23,400 no business working you know what the 485 00:20:28,010 --> 00:20:25,380 second one the Christian psyup was just 486 00:20:30,350 --> 00:20:28,020 as silly it had no business working but 487 00:20:32,690 --> 00:20:30,360 it did work but let's be mindful of what 488 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:32,700 Adrian goldsworthy is saying and not 489 00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:34,620 look back on the whole thing and try to 490 00:20:40,190 --> 00:20:36,900 put all the pieces together as if to say 491 00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,200 well Judaism what a wonderful tradition 492 00:20:44,690 --> 00:20:42,480 with the Thunder God and follow all 493 00:20:47,390 --> 00:20:44,700 these rules and spin around three times 494 00:20:49,190 --> 00:20:47,400 and you know it's just it's just more of 495 00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:49,200 the silliness and what Christianity 496 00:20:54,470 --> 00:20:51,620 emerged out of that is completely 497 00:20:57,010 --> 00:20:54,480 designed to control the population as we 498 00:20:59,930 --> 00:20:57,020 saw Constantine can you get a less 499 00:21:01,669 --> 00:20:59,940 authentic spiritual player than 500 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:01,679 Constantine he certainly wasn't 501 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:03,960 Christian whatever the hell he was so 502 00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,480 that's the level of deconstruction I 503 00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,159 want to do on this thing and I know I've 504 00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,320 laid a lot on the table but you can kind 505 00:21:14,510 --> 00:21:12,720 of see where I'm kind of pushing back on 506 00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:14,520 the The Narrative that we've been 507 00:21:20,690 --> 00:21:17,760 conditioned to kind of buy into 508 00:21:22,610 --> 00:21:20,700 yeah yeah for sure again you have to 509 00:21:24,649 --> 00:21:22,620 look at everything as I'm learning 510 00:21:26,630 --> 00:21:24,659 everything you thought you knew is false 511 00:21:29,149 --> 00:21:26,640 everything you learned right after is 512 00:21:31,909 --> 00:21:29,159 false I mean it just it continuously 513 00:21:34,370 --> 00:21:31,919 goes and I should add to this I think to 514 00:21:39,049 --> 00:21:34,380 the Romans it was important because the 515 00:21:40,850 --> 00:21:39,059 the the second temple was a huge Cash 516 00:21:42,289 --> 00:21:40,860 Cow it was one of the biggest buildings 517 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:42,299 in the world they were made they were 518 00:21:47,450 --> 00:21:45,600 making a ton of money from taxes so they 519 00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:47,460 did have some vested interests and then 520 00:21:51,710 --> 00:21:49,320 they decided oh screw it this is too 521 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:51,720 much of a pain in the butt let's get rid 522 00:21:56,810 --> 00:21:53,940 of it yeah for your listeners uh watch 523 00:21:58,909 --> 00:21:56,820 that movie uh air America with Tom 524 00:22:01,310 --> 00:21:58,919 Cruise which kind of shows you what CIA 525 00:22:03,649 --> 00:22:01,320 does they just throw money they have so 526 00:22:06,110 --> 00:22:03,659 much money the Romans were doing that 527 00:22:09,049 --> 00:22:06,120 with the experiment so it's a question 528 00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,059 of why Christianity if some have said uh 529 00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,760 an exclusive religion was probably 530 00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:14,159 better to work with things some have 531 00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:17,400 said the cult of mithras was becoming so 532 00:22:21,409 --> 00:22:19,320 popular was much more popular than 533 00:22:23,870 --> 00:22:21,419 Christianity but the problem with the 534 00:22:26,330 --> 00:22:23,880 cult of me through us is that it was a 535 00:22:30,169 --> 00:22:26,340 Roman soldier religion it was very 536 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:30,179 popular and it had Persian Origins and 537 00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:32,280 it might have been like oh what if 538 00:22:37,549 --> 00:22:35,100 mithras is a Persian psyop and the 539 00:22:40,130 --> 00:22:37,559 parthians are going to use this to bring 540 00:22:42,110 --> 00:22:40,140 down the Roman Empire so we need a 541 00:22:44,330 --> 00:22:42,120 bulwark we need something to counter it 542 00:22:46,850 --> 00:22:44,340 so we're going to create this God or 543 00:22:49,669 --> 00:22:46,860 this religion that's pretty much very 544 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:49,679 similar to mithras you know the the host 545 00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:52,020 and the sitting down and the formalities 546 00:22:57,289 --> 00:22:55,380 and all that so that's another uh idea 547 00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,299 that definitely has to be explored of 548 00:23:03,049 --> 00:22:59,940 why Christianity became what it is 549 00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,059 because like you said it was a uh again 550 00:23:08,110 --> 00:23:06,000 Hadrian had to destroy Israel because 551 00:23:10,730 --> 00:23:08,120 the psyth didn't work with the Jews 552 00:23:13,730 --> 00:23:10,740 Christianity was just a small religion 553 00:23:15,770 --> 00:23:13,740 that Romans and Greeks and others 554 00:23:18,169 --> 00:23:15,780 scoffed at until the third fourth 555 00:23:20,930 --> 00:23:18,179 century and how it became true and in 556 00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:20,940 fact even then the idea of Christianity 557 00:23:27,289 --> 00:23:23,400 being this world player is kind of false 558 00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,299 Alex uh you've had Diana pasulka on your 559 00:23:31,310 --> 00:23:29,460 show and she's actually her first job 560 00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:31,320 beside being one of the leading 561 00:23:37,610 --> 00:23:34,320 Authorities on ufology was a Catholic 562 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:37,620 scholar and she said that the Roman 563 00:23:42,830 --> 00:23:40,440 Catholic Church that we know didn't 564 00:23:45,230 --> 00:23:42,840 really happen until the 12th 13th 565 00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:45,240 century it was a very loose 566 00:23:50,690 --> 00:23:48,120 uh real relaxed people went to church 567 00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:50,700 maybe once a month the church didn't 568 00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:52,740 have as much power the pope wasn't even 569 00:23:58,669 --> 00:23:55,200 in Rome he was in France it was only 570 00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,679 until the Inquisition and the Crusades 571 00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:00,600 that Rome that the Catholic Church 572 00:24:06,110 --> 00:24:03,000 became this sort of corporation that we 573 00:24:08,149 --> 00:24:06,120 know about world Dominion dominating and 574 00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:08,159 all that and before that you had it was 575 00:24:12,590 --> 00:24:10,500 loose he had the Byzantine Empire which 576 00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:12,600 had his thing he had all these different 577 00:24:19,370 --> 00:24:16,080 sects going on and as eliminating each 578 00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,380 other and vying for money so even our 579 00:24:25,130 --> 00:24:22,799 idea of this holy church popping up and 580 00:24:27,409 --> 00:24:25,140 ruling the world and killing witches and 581 00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,419 all that that's that that didn't happen 582 00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:29,039 until the Middle Ages so it's 583 00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,440 interesting how uh yeah how we learn 584 00:24:37,010 --> 00:24:33,600 these things let me throw a couple other 585 00:24:39,289 --> 00:24:37,020 Clips on the table so the the point that 586 00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:39,299 you're making there is something that me 587 00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:41,100 and David Matheson 588 00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:44,520 talked a lot about and that is the the 589 00:24:49,970 --> 00:24:47,880 mithras called The mithrin Cult and I I 590 00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:49,980 think it's best understood and David 591 00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:52,260 certainly agrees with this as a secret 592 00:24:56,570 --> 00:24:53,520 society 593 00:24:58,190 --> 00:24:56,580 rather than than a cult or religion it 594 00:24:59,810 --> 00:24:58,200 was a bunch of soldiers getting together 595 00:25:02,029 --> 00:24:59,820 deciding who are they going to 596 00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,039 assassinate and I think it's been copied 597 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,080 over and over and over again throughout 598 00:25:10,250 --> 00:25:06,720 history these guys you know when 599 00:25:12,769 --> 00:25:10,260 vispasian takes power becomes Caesar 600 00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:12,779 they had gone through a period of a year 601 00:25:17,450 --> 00:25:14,700 where they had assassinated four 602 00:25:19,010 --> 00:25:17,460 different Emperors so they'd come in and 603 00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:19,020 the secret society would get together 604 00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,720 and say nah don't like him so much boom 605 00:25:25,730 --> 00:25:23,520 he's gone next one's gone and they were 606 00:25:27,830 --> 00:25:25,740 the ones ruling I mean does this sound a 607 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:27,840 little bit like today here's a clip 608 00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,880 between Bobby and the FBI I possessed 609 00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:32,400 all the time he's going crazy 610 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:34,679 tell Jimmy I'm sorry for his troubles 611 00:25:40,370 --> 00:25:38,159 the old time I spoke to the old man the 612 00:25:45,529 --> 00:25:40,380 old man taught this on Jack and he told 613 00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,010 he knows who the he owes 614 00:25:52,250 --> 00:25:50,640 let me jump in here for just a minute 615 00:25:53,690 --> 00:25:52,260 and explain something because I think I 616 00:25:55,610 --> 00:25:53,700 kind of threw Miguel off a little bit 617 00:25:58,190 --> 00:25:55,620 with that clip and maybe I threw you off 618 00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:58,200 too that's a clip from the Irishman and 619 00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:00,900 that's Joe Pesci and Robert De Niro and 620 00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:04,740 to me this is like listening into the 621 00:26:10,970 --> 00:26:07,760 cult of mithras this is listening into 622 00:26:13,850 --> 00:26:10,980 these guys who got together who really 623 00:26:16,669 --> 00:26:13,860 ran the secret society that brought 624 00:26:18,529 --> 00:26:16,679 about the phony Christianity that we 625 00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:18,539 have so I kind of explained that a 626 00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:21,779 little bit to Miguel and then I pivoted 627 00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:25,140 over to a clip from David Matheson and 628 00:26:29,930 --> 00:26:27,299 the interview we did about all this good 629 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,940 old Roman psyop stuff here we are 630 00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,980 talking about the Dead Sea Scrolls and 631 00:26:37,130 --> 00:26:34,799 in particular the Copper Scroll it was 632 00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:37,140 all rolled up on copper and so old these 633 00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:38,700 scrolls are found that Dead Sea Scrolls 634 00:26:45,710 --> 00:26:42,539 found in the 1940s fragments of over 900 635 00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:45,720 texts manuscripts and in thousands of 636 00:26:50,930 --> 00:26:48,299 pieces like jigsaw puzzles discovered in 637 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:50,940 the 40s and then given into the hands of 638 00:26:55,490 --> 00:26:53,460 an international group of Scholars who 639 00:26:58,250 --> 00:26:55,500 kept the Dead Sea Scrolls basically 640 00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:58,260 under wraps for their entire lives they 641 00:27:02,090 --> 00:26:59,400 didn't let anyone 642 00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:02,100 see anything but there's one scroll 643 00:27:07,070 --> 00:27:05,640 known as the copper the Copper Scroll 644 00:27:08,510 --> 00:27:07,080 and you see it on the right hand side of 645 00:27:11,390 --> 00:27:08,520 your screen it looks very different than 646 00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,400 the the written scroll the Copper Scroll 647 00:27:16,190 --> 00:27:14,159 it was it was all rolled up on copper 648 00:27:18,289 --> 00:27:16,200 and so old that they had to cut in part 649 00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:18,299 and so that's why these pieces now look 650 00:27:23,810 --> 00:27:21,059 kind of like like a half of a tube what 651 00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:23,820 is the Copper Scroll it's basically the 652 00:27:27,470 --> 00:27:25,980 list of treasure this is how it reads 653 00:27:29,149 --> 00:27:27,480 this is the first words of the Copper 654 00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,159 Scroll not the part that I'm showing by 655 00:27:33,529 --> 00:27:30,960 the way that's like piece number 18 but 656 00:27:35,870 --> 00:27:33,539 on piece one it says in the ruin that's 657 00:27:38,090 --> 00:27:35,880 in the valley of acor under the steps 658 00:27:40,070 --> 00:27:38,100 with the entrance at the East so go to 659 00:27:42,830 --> 00:27:40,080 the ruins find the entrance that's on 660 00:27:46,970 --> 00:27:42,840 the east then under the steps a distance 661 00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:46,980 of 40 cubits a strong box of silver and 662 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,520 its vessels with a weight of 17 talents 663 00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,799 which by the way a talent at that time 664 00:27:58,370 --> 00:27:55,080 New Testament Talent OR that period 665 00:28:03,470 --> 00:27:58,380 Talent 129 pounds so that's 129 pounds 666 00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:03,480 of silver tie I'm 17 that's a lot 667 00:28:10,250 --> 00:28:07,020 okay so uh still still some more I Gotta 668 00:28:12,830 --> 00:28:10,260 Throw on the table since I have Miguel 669 00:28:15,230 --> 00:28:12,840 here but you see where I'm going with 670 00:28:18,529 --> 00:28:15,240 this the first clip the reason I played 671 00:28:19,610 --> 00:28:18,539 the long Joe Pesci clip is that's what's 672 00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:19,620 hanging 673 00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:21,179 in Rome 674 00:28:26,690 --> 00:28:24,000 the meeting of the mythrous cult that's 675 00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,700 how they talk and that's how modern day 676 00:28:30,889 --> 00:28:29,279 guys talk about we're gonna knock off 677 00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:30,899 the Kennedys we're gonna do this 678 00:28:37,130 --> 00:28:33,840 we're going to decide who's in control 679 00:28:39,769 --> 00:28:37,140 what Matheson is adding which I think is 680 00:28:41,510 --> 00:28:39,779 and this is the contrast to what you 681 00:28:44,210 --> 00:28:41,520 were talking about right is the 682 00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:44,220 spiritual when did Christianity come and 683 00:28:50,029 --> 00:28:47,580 what about Augustus hey I I'm down for 684 00:28:54,669 --> 00:28:50,039 all that but first don't we need to 685 00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:54,679 understand the more uh materialistic 686 00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:57,720 archaeological kind of history and the 687 00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,179 human history of what we did here's 688 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:03,120 another interview that just shook my 689 00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,320 world 690 00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:06,539 I'll pull it up on the screen and it's a 691 00:29:12,649 --> 00:29:08,940 guy named uh David Brody and he wrote a 692 00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:12,659 book called romerica and what he found 693 00:29:19,850 --> 00:29:16,320 was all this archaeological evidence of 694 00:29:21,950 --> 00:29:19,860 the Romans being in America 695 00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:21,960 in the second century 696 00:29:27,169 --> 00:29:24,299 but the connection to it is much much 697 00:29:29,450 --> 00:29:27,179 more interesting because what he says is 698 00:29:32,529 --> 00:29:29,460 in that second sacking 699 00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:32,539 of the Temple what he suspects happened 700 00:29:38,990 --> 00:29:36,600 is that the Roman uh the ninth legion of 701 00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,000 Rome which is this mysterious Legion 702 00:29:43,549 --> 00:29:41,279 that disappears you know they just kind 703 00:29:45,710 --> 00:29:43,559 of disappear from history well they were 704 00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,720 in if you know anything about Rome they 705 00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:47,940 have these Legions and they kind of go 706 00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:50,640 off to these far parts of the Empire and 707 00:29:56,930 --> 00:29:52,620 they kind of never come back the ninth 708 00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,940 Legion is in Britannia for like 40 years 709 00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:58,799 and they're all married up with all the 710 00:30:03,110 --> 00:30:00,659 Welsh girls and all that stuff they have 711 00:30:06,049 --> 00:30:03,120 they've never been to and suddenly get 712 00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:06,059 the orders and saying hey buddy need you 713 00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:08,340 back in Judea you guys didn't do it the 714 00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:10,140 first time we're gonna do it what he 715 00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:11,640 suspects is they went there and they got 716 00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:14,279 to the door and the guy said look do you 717 00:30:17,750 --> 00:30:15,840 want to kill the temple or they'll tell 718 00:30:19,610 --> 00:30:17,760 you what I kind of know where there 719 00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:19,620 might be some treasure 720 00:30:24,470 --> 00:30:22,559 and he goes yeah but uh what what what's 721 00:30:25,549 --> 00:30:24,480 going to happen to you you give me the 722 00:30:27,289 --> 00:30:25,559 treasure you're going to get killed 723 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,299 right he goes That's why I was thinking 724 00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:29,340 maybe I come along with you on the boats 725 00:30:33,649 --> 00:30:31,980 you know and that's what he finds that's 726 00:30:36,169 --> 00:30:33,659 what the archaeological evidence says 727 00:30:39,110 --> 00:30:36,179 they not only find all these Roman coins 728 00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:39,120 David Brody does in his book America but 729 00:30:45,110 --> 00:30:41,580 he also finds where they've built in the 730 00:30:46,510 --> 00:30:45,120 big Midori in the in the earth and all 731 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:46,520 these other 732 00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:51,360 Jewish religious symbols in 2nd Century 733 00:30:55,730 --> 00:30:52,559 America 734 00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:55,740 so here's the here's the upshot to that 735 00:30:58,490 --> 00:30:57,000 and then I'm going to get back to you 736 00:31:01,009 --> 00:30:58,500 but I want to lay the whole thing on you 737 00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,019 I got to give you the whole picture to 738 00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:04,559 get your to get your full answer 739 00:31:12,769 --> 00:31:11,090 let me throw out one pet Theory just 740 00:31:14,029 --> 00:31:12,779 indulge me it'll be short but it has 741 00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:14,039 kind of emerged from a couple of 742 00:31:20,690 --> 00:31:16,580 different guests that I've talked to so 743 00:31:23,389 --> 00:31:20,700 Josephus kind of famously says hey and I 744 00:31:25,730 --> 00:31:23,399 have a revelation you're going to be you 745 00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:25,740 know Caesar and the in the copper 746 00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,960 Scrolls the Dead Sea Scrolls the Copper 747 00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,840 Scroll is a treasure map and at the 748 00:31:34,610 --> 00:31:32,580 bottom of the treasure map it says and 749 00:31:38,330 --> 00:31:34,620 this is a copy 750 00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:38,340 Josephus being Josephus super Elite 751 00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:41,519 among the Jewish Elite what if he knows 752 00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:45,059 basically the idea what's in the 753 00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,860 information contained in that Copper 754 00:31:52,009 --> 00:31:49,320 Scroll what if he has the treasure map 755 00:31:54,110 --> 00:31:52,019 in his head and what if that is his real 756 00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:54,120 bargaining chip with Vespasian because 757 00:31:58,370 --> 00:31:55,740 it is interesting isn't it that 758 00:32:01,310 --> 00:31:58,380 Vespasian who is the soldier soldier but 759 00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:01,320 really you know in unique ways isn't in 760 00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,700 line to be the emperor doesn't have the 761 00:32:06,529 --> 00:32:04,320 bloodline doesn't you know it has kind 762 00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:06,539 of been cast out by Nero something 763 00:32:10,909 --> 00:32:08,880 happens and now he goes down to Egypt 764 00:32:13,669 --> 00:32:10,919 and he seems to have a lot of dough to 765 00:32:15,769 --> 00:32:13,679 assemble an army and he shows up in Rome 766 00:32:18,529 --> 00:32:15,779 and everyone's like oh okay I guess 767 00:32:19,730 --> 00:32:18,539 you're the guy how far off is that do we 768 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,740 have anything that would directly 769 00:32:23,149 --> 00:32:21,600 contradict that idea I mean the thing is 770 00:32:26,570 --> 00:32:23,159 you've got to remember the timing so 771 00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:26,580 this is 67. Nero still alive 772 00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:29,279 until a few months later where all the 773 00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:30,960 bad decisions and the craziness he's 774 00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,340 done I mean I've just been to the 775 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:34,260 British museum I could listen to Adrian 776 00:32:37,430 --> 00:32:35,880 goldsworthy for a long time but it's 777 00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,440 probably a little bit too much for this 778 00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:39,659 show the point is 779 00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:43,679 he's not unfriendly to the theory that 780 00:32:49,310 --> 00:32:45,960 what we're really looking at in Josephus 781 00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:49,320 is not someone who psychically had a 782 00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:52,380 precognitive vision of the space in 783 00:32:57,289 --> 00:32:54,600 becoming Empire but a guy who knew where 784 00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:57,299 the silver was buried and said 785 00:33:02,690 --> 00:32:59,820 bring me along and I'll show you where 786 00:33:06,169 --> 00:33:02,700 the treasure is just like the ninth 787 00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:06,179 Roman legion did 60 years later however 788 00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:08,760 many years later that is it's just it's 789 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,919 it's just human nature this is how 790 00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,140 things get done this is how Joe Pesci 791 00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:15,120 and Bobby De Niro would have done it 792 00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:16,980 what do you think I've laid that later 793 00:33:23,870 --> 00:33:20,100 but this is Caesar's Messiah 2.0 this 794 00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:23,880 changes it substantially it's not about 795 00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:27,179 a grand conspiracy they were not that 796 00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:30,480 smart they were just doing the next best 797 00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,159 thing like you're saying just the next 798 00:33:36,169 --> 00:33:34,080 thing about what what might work well 799 00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:36,179 throw this thing out there that the 800 00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:38,399 whole Jewish religion is Vespasian is 801 00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,960 the Messiah oh that didn't work okay 802 00:33:43,850 --> 00:33:42,000 throw this next thing out there let's 803 00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:43,860 see if that works 804 00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:46,620 no government propaganda let's try 805 00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:48,720 different things we see it today we see 806 00:33:52,789 --> 00:33:50,820 it throughout history so it makes it and 807 00:33:55,610 --> 00:33:52,799 yes I've also read yeah they have found 808 00:33:59,090 --> 00:33:55,620 Roman coins and I think Brazil or 809 00:34:01,970 --> 00:33:59,100 Northern South America so yeah this all 810 00:34:03,409 --> 00:34:01,980 makes sense perfectly uh and like I said 811 00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:03,419 I like where you're going with this 812 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:07,140 because this shows how governments work 813 00:34:11,810 --> 00:34:09,720 the mind control works I mean we know I 814 00:34:14,750 --> 00:34:11,820 like to think there's a doctor evil with 815 00:34:17,149 --> 00:34:14,760 some Grand evil scheme but like you said 816 00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,159 it's people trying to save their jobs as 817 00:34:23,389 --> 00:34:20,639 think tanks it's uh people being greedy 818 00:34:25,609 --> 00:34:23,399 wanting to retire first the different 819 00:34:27,710 --> 00:34:25,619 Roman soldiers simply wanted to make 820 00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:27,720 money to bring back to their family and 821 00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:29,820 that's always important in any situation 822 00:34:35,450 --> 00:34:33,060 so as I say it's complicated and uh I 823 00:34:38,030 --> 00:34:35,460 would agree with you too that mithras or 824 00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:38,040 I'm gonna State mithras really is the 825 00:34:43,790 --> 00:34:40,980 overarching god of Western Civilization 826 00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,800 he really rules our days today and from 827 00:34:48,889 --> 00:34:45,960 Skull and Bones to 828 00:34:51,950 --> 00:34:48,899 uh so many secret societies and he keeps 829 00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,960 popping up even in the Persian times and 830 00:34:57,230 --> 00:34:53,879 it's a side track but if someone said 831 00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:57,240 the people like Cyrus and all those they 832 00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,040 probably were secretly worshiping me 833 00:35:02,690 --> 00:35:00,480 through us because this is the kind of 834 00:35:05,690 --> 00:35:02,700 God that gets things done because they 835 00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:05,700 would sacrifice animals and zoroaster 836 00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:07,800 very much said you do not sacrifice 837 00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:10,200 animals under the religion of the 838 00:35:15,829 --> 00:35:12,960 Persians but you see these hints going 839 00:35:18,589 --> 00:35:15,839 on in these this meter keeps popping up 840 00:35:20,569 --> 00:35:18,599 here and there and so again you wonder 841 00:35:23,089 --> 00:35:20,579 if there was this parallel competition 842 00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:23,099 later on with mithras and Christianity 843 00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:26,099 but I think in a way mithras continued 844 00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:28,500 to be the ruling God of Western Society 845 00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:31,560 I guess the big question Miguel that I'd 846 00:35:37,550 --> 00:35:34,079 love you to dive into is 847 00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:37,560 how are we to understand our here in Now 848 00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:39,060 history back to the beginning this 849 00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:40,560 interview this 850 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:43,500 reaction that we all have to what we see 851 00:35:48,290 --> 00:35:45,540 going on in our day just like people 852 00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,300 have seen and reacted to throughout 853 00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:50,640 history they had their own thing 854 00:35:56,930 --> 00:35:53,640 how do we balance that with this 855 00:35:59,630 --> 00:35:56,940 extended Consciousness relationship that 856 00:36:02,089 --> 00:35:59,640 we have with Gods with Spirits with 857 00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,099 other entities because I think that's so 858 00:36:06,829 --> 00:36:04,800 much what your book is all about and 859 00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:06,839 your work is all about and 860 00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:09,599 we have to serve both so how do we do 861 00:36:14,810 --> 00:36:11,339 that 862 00:36:17,450 --> 00:36:14,820 well as I as I tell people the game 863 00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:17,460 doesn't change the most important thing 864 00:36:23,690 --> 00:36:21,119 is you're waking up and your inner Flame 865 00:36:25,790 --> 00:36:23,700 or Soul or Consciousness that's the most 866 00:36:28,130 --> 00:36:25,800 I tell people it doesn't matter if you 867 00:36:31,370 --> 00:36:28,140 walk out today and you see Bigfoot or 868 00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,380 you see an alien ship land or you find 869 00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:33,920 out that the Rockefellers are still 870 00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,660 worshiping mithras and ruling are the 871 00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:38,640 United States government 872 00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:41,160 your job is still the same which is to 873 00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:43,560 wake up and find out what your purpose 874 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:46,859 is and move there because uh these 875 00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:49,260 things are fun Alex but you know for 876 00:36:55,690 --> 00:36:52,380 example JFK it's so obvious it's tedious 877 00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,700 what did James Corbett or Corbett say uh 878 00:37:01,310 --> 00:36:58,140 conspiracy is just history plus time 879 00:37:03,050 --> 00:37:01,320 there's so much time with JFK that I 880 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,060 can't believe anybody is still holding 881 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:05,400 on to the notion of the single shooter 882 00:37:10,790 --> 00:37:08,400 or whatever the hell but you're still 883 00:37:13,250 --> 00:37:10,800 going to have yearly conferences with 884 00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,260 JFK people going and arguing and 885 00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:15,599 debating and paper that's going to go on 886 00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:18,599 for Generations so 887 00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:21,060 you might as well not you might as well 888 00:37:27,170 --> 00:37:23,220 continue going down the path like you 889 00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,180 from uh Caesar's Messiah 1.0 to 2.0 or 890 00:37:31,490 --> 00:37:29,760 finding out mithras or all this stuff 891 00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,500 all this journey that we're in but the 892 00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:33,780 game hasn't changed you need to keep 893 00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:37,020 waking up and you need to be as good as 894 00:37:42,589 --> 00:37:39,960 you can and be there for others the 895 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:42,599 least of our brothers as I talk about an 896 00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,240 ambide and the answers will come but uh 897 00:37:50,450 --> 00:37:48,180 the other things in a way it's fun but 898 00:37:53,030 --> 00:37:50,460 compared to Infinity to as you say 899 00:37:55,730 --> 00:37:53,040 extended Consciousness and all that it's 900 00:37:57,829 --> 00:37:55,740 a a drop in the bucket you know don't 901 00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:57,839 lose sight of the big game which is who 902 00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:00,480 you are which is just an amazing 903 00:38:04,190 --> 00:38:02,820 individual that has purpose and meaning 904 00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:04,200 in this world 905 00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,220 can't can't top that unbelievable Miguel 906 00:38:14,030 --> 00:38:10,680 so tell folks as we wrap it up what's 907 00:38:15,890 --> 00:38:14,040 going on with you in the in the Aeon 908 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,900 bite world 909 00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,480 oh lots of stuff going on I keep putting 910 00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:20,760 out the shows with some uh amazing 911 00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,060 guests and my my intros I keep trying to 912 00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:26,640 level it up for example in a show I 913 00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:27,960 don't know if it'll be out did you know 914 00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:29,820 that there was a serial killer that got 915 00:38:35,329 --> 00:38:33,359 made into a Buddha anguillie Mala and 916 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:35,339 you know you read these things and it 917 00:38:40,490 --> 00:38:37,980 just you know if you just for the normal 918 00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:40,500 person like oh my God Buddhism sucks but 919 00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:43,200 to me it's like this is a new dimension 920 00:38:47,569 --> 00:38:45,480 to go explore how did the theravada 921 00:38:50,089 --> 00:38:47,579 Buddhists make a serial killer into a 922 00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:50,099 Buddha how does a serial killer become a 923 00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,400 Buddha uh so this is so fascinating 924 00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:55,200 things that I really say more about 925 00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:57,300 ourselves than we can explore parts of 926 00:39:02,569 --> 00:39:00,060 ourselves and our relationship to things 927 00:39:04,910 --> 00:39:02,579 that I'm trying to work on sort of a a 928 00:39:07,250 --> 00:39:04,920 book about I've written so many articles 929 00:39:10,130 --> 00:39:07,260 on gnosticism and all that I'm trying to 930 00:39:12,410 --> 00:39:10,140 do a compilation book hopefully by the 931 00:39:15,410 --> 00:39:12,420 end of the year I want to have like a a 932 00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,420 good intro course on gnosticism an 933 00:39:19,849 --> 00:39:17,520 online one tons of people can get the 934 00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,859 the real dope and none of that new age 935 00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:21,780 stuff that is out there so yeah just 936 00:39:26,510 --> 00:39:23,760 doing a lot of voice over work I'm doing 937 00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:26,520 a lot of audio books and commercials to 938 00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,160 be able to uh set a career on that one 939 00:39:34,430 --> 00:39:30,960 so if any of your listeners need voice 940 00:39:37,130 --> 00:39:34,440 over I I am your man I'll get you uh as 941 00:39:39,650 --> 00:39:37,140 I like to say Stellar results with down 942 00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:39,660 to earth professionalism that's my tag 943 00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:42,060 that's a tagline of you that's for the 944 00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:45,119 did I just whip out you know so um 945 00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,540 awesome so that's it keeping busy 946 00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:49,980 you you 947 00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:52,380 ought to we need we always need more 948 00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:55,260 Miguel Connor so never enough awesome 949 00:39:58,130 --> 00:39:57,359 having you um thanks again for joining 950 00:40:03,710 --> 00:39:58,140 me 951 00:40:05,870 --> 00:40:03,720 thanks again to Miguel Connor and thank 952 00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:05,880 you for sticking around for part two of 953 00:40:10,670 --> 00:40:08,220 this interview the one question I T up 954 00:40:13,730 --> 00:40:10,680 from this interview is what do you make 955 00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:13,740 of the cult of mithras secret society is 956 00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,079 that what it is I mean it can be that 957 00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:18,660 and a religion and a cult it can be all 958 00:40:23,569 --> 00:40:21,300 those things but is it a secret society 959 00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:23,579 that is probably running these kind of 960 00:40:28,370 --> 00:40:26,339 psyops the same ones we see today but 961 00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:28,380 maybe the same ones that happen back 962 00:40:32,809 --> 00:40:30,660 then that's of course the big question 963 00:40:34,970 --> 00:40:32,819 but I'd love to hear your answers to it 964 00:40:37,790 --> 00:40:34,980 again let me know what you think engage 965 00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,800 connect share and stay with me have some 966 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:39,599 great shows coming up until next time 967 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:43,410 take care bye for now 968 00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:49,510 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